One Gyrl’s Take on the Stop Porn Culture Conference

When I think of the international Stop Porn Culture (SPC) conference I attended in Boston last June, the first image that comes to mind is of a giant plastic foot with a slot in it for men to ejaculate into (Dr. Gail Dines discussed this during her presentation). The first phrase that comes to mind is humantoiletbowls dot com, the domain name of a mainstream porn site. And the first sound that comes to mind is that of a young boy gasping for breath as he is suffocated and raped by a trusted adult man addicted to pornography.

If what you’ve just read disturbs you, it should distress you even further to know that children are consuming porn at a younger age than ever before. Indeed, according to one of SPC’s presenters, the fourth most common word searched for by children is “sex,” (and what do you think shows up after such a search?); the fifth is “porn”. Where do you think your children are getting their sex-education, parents? Not from the “abstinence only” school curricula, that’s for sure.

Pornography is increasingly impacting our emotional health as well. Dear Abby had a sixteen-year-old girl write to her about porn addiction! Porn addicts have even been known to sing songs to their porn collections and stay home from vacation to masturbate to images. While we all were aware of the financial collapse, how many of us knew that men working at the Securities and Exchange Commission were jerking off to Internet porn, some as much as eight hours a day? And porn has increasingly come to (negatively) impact intimate relationships; some dub it the new “other woman.”

But, as is obvious to every woman alive, not everyone sees our porn-saturated society as a problem. As one of the founding members of Stop Porn Culture, Dr. Gail Dines, pointed out at the first SPC conference, while porn has become increasingly harsh, a feminist challenge to the porn industry has gone underground. Thus, SPC was founded in the hopes of bringing a radical feminist analysis of pornography back to the forefront of the feminist agenda. In order to combat porn, Dr. Dines suggests raising pornography consumption as a public health issue, much as was done with smoking. While this idea may be the most pragmatic way to challenge the industry, I’m saddened the exploitation of women required to make pornography does not in itself cause outrage. Perhaps male violence could be incorporated into a “public health” approach, but how likely this would be in a male-dominated society, I do not know. Yet, just the act of lessening porn production and consumption would have the effect of decreasing some violence against women, clearly a feminist goal.

Somewhat similarly, the topic of porn and capitalism came up among conference attendees. Several of the conference-goers I talked to seemed to believe if capitalism is dismantled, violent porn would cease to exist. I found this a rather odd assumption, since male supremacy is clearly present in non-capitalist societies. What reason is there to believe the images created by this imaginary society would be kinder and gentler to women? None, as far as I can tell.

These thoughts were echoed by the speakers on the panel regarding legal approaches to challenging the pornography industry. The first scholar, a woman from Durham University, stated that any new laws confronting pornography should be based on a feminist analysis of the industry as opposed to a moral one. The following presenter, Diane Rosenfeld, reminded us that the feminist community has a limited amount of monetary and time resources; we have to decide what the best use of these resources is: legal, education, etc. Rosenfeld also gave us a fairly recent example, the case of Abu Ghraib, where pictures were used to indict individuals for actions. But, when it comes to women, torture is a means to male sexual pleasure.

So, what did I take away from this feminist anti-pornography conference—in addition to overwhelming anger, that is? One of the main messages I got was that there are women fighting back; despite what the pornographers say, women will not be cowered into silence. Even if half the male population gets off to our pain, we will not go down without a fight. We will not give in to your phallic-like missiles, knives, and guns because we have justice on our side.

16 Responses to “One Gyrl’s Take on the Stop Porn Culture Conference”

  1. Aletha Says:

    The Ms. Magazine blog has posted two parts of an ongoing interview of Gail Dines by Shira Tarrant, who declares herself emphatically not anti-porn. It may appear Ms. is giving free rein to both sides of the argument, but the moderators have seen fit to censor at least two of my comments, so far. The first was the product of extreme exasperation, so I thought perhaps that decision could be justified, but at this point, I think they are trying to drive me away.

    This was the first comment, which would have followed this one:

    Aletha says:
    Your comment is awaiting moderation.
    July 6, 2010 at 6:59 am

    Hey, Random Observer and maymay, it is never wise to underestimate an opponent. You can obfuscate and ignore all you want, calling it a matter of disagreement, gray areas, morality, right and wrong, to each his own, whatever. I have heard it all before. I made the mistake of overestimating your ability to comprehend what women have been saying about your precious pornography. Gloria Steinem wrote that book almost three decades ago. I did not make these ideas up, and neither did she. Those who pretend the controversy is all about gray areas or individual preferences ignore the context, the experience of women suffering so men can gratify their egos, the fact that manufactured confusion has given cover to grotesque forms of abuse of women, whatever men could dream up that other men might enjoy vicariously, calling it consensual because the women got paid. You just do not get the first thing about this issue. I have to conclude that is not due to being ignorant or dense, so it must be some kind of willful blindness. My issues with pornography are not matters of logic, law, morality, or censorship. I understand your position more than you think. I wrote an essay for my blog over three years ago (The Trouble with Pornography at http://freesoil.org/wordpress/?p=24 ). What the defenders of pornography wish to ignore and obfuscate is basically, women are getting hurt so men can get off on it. I strongly suggest you stop trying to make your contempt for women who oppose porn about me, or your theories about my use of language. This idea I am like a religious fanatic is so tiresome, off base, and off point, why bother to futilely attempt to clue in the clueless? Perhaps you could explain how it is you think pornography has some redeeming value. What is the logic behind vicarious enjoyment of degrading women? Does that enjoyment trump the associated suffering of women?

    I might have more to say later, but right now I feel like I would be wasting my time. This discussion could too easily turn into a train wreck. I can tell I am being baited.

    I had quoted a passage from Gloria Steinem, from the beginning of the chapter Erotica vs. Pornography in her book Outrageous Acts and Everyday Rebellions, since my attempt to draw a distinction between erotica and pornography was met with derision and insinuations the distinction I drew was capricious and inaccurate. This was what I quoted from Ms. Steinem:

    Look at or imagine images of people making love; really making love. Those images may be very diverse, but there is likely to be a mutual pleasure and touch and warmth, an empathy for each other’s bodies and nerve endings, a shared sensuality and a spontaneous sense of two people who are there because they want to be.

    Now look at or imagine images of sex in which there is force, violence, or symbols of unequal power…. But blatant or subtle, there is no equal power or mutuality. In fact, much of the tension and drama comes from the clear idea that one person is dominating another.

    These two sorts of images are as different as love is from rape, as dignity is from humiliation, as partnership is from slavery, as pleasure is from pain. Yet they are confused and lumped together as ‘pornography’ or ‘obscenity,’ ‘erotica’ or ‘explicit sex,’ because sex and violence are so dangerously intertwined and confused. After all, it takes violence or the threat of it to maintain the dominance of any group of human beings over another.

    The second censored comment, on Part 2, would have followed this one:

    Aletha says:
    Your comment is awaiting moderation.
    July 12, 2010 at 7:18 am

    Random Observer, is that your argument, or are you simply attempting to bait me again? I have no reason to believe the women to whom I referred want their names to be bandied about by men who believe they are making up their experiences. They are not proud of that “work;” in fact, it pains them so deeply to remember it, most prefer to bury it and try to move on. The woman who wrote for Rain and Thunder, whose name I think I remember, but am not 100% sure, wrote about it despite the hell it put her through to pull up those memories because she felt she had to get it out in the open for her to move on. I have no right to name anyone who is ashamed of her past. Why, so people can ridicule her, debate her veracity and motives? Do you really think Gail Dines is making up gory stories to justify her work, or sell her book? How about the women who “worked” for Max Hardcore? What they went through was at least comparable to what Jersey Jaxin describes. Was that all made up or wildly exaggerated as well?

  2. Aletha Says:

    The Ms. blog entries about the Gail Dines interview are fairly quiet today, only one new comment. Since it has been over 24 hours since my last attempt, back on Part 1 in response to notorious pornography industry flack Sheldon accusing Gail Dines of taking money from “a fundamentalist Christian outfit that wants abortion outlawed,” I presume I have been censored again.

    My third censored comment would have followed this one:

    Aletha says:
    Your comment is awaiting moderation.
    July 12, 2010 at 9:29 pm
    Ah, some of the usual suspects have finally arrived! At the risk of being censored yet again, I ask you, Sheldon, for some evidence for your charge about the ownership and registration of the Stop Porn Culture website. It happens to be registered to Lierre Keith, according to whois.com. The connection you allege is certainly news to me. I will know soon enough if there is any truth to it.

    I found out where Sheldon probably got his information. Good old Violet Blue. She posted on her blog a screen shot of the whois listing for the Stop Porn Culture website.
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    At the time she wrote that, unless she photoshopped the listing, Skyward-bound Productions was the registrant and administrator, though that says nothing about the owner or financier, and in her blog post she does not say who owned the site, referring to the webmaster. Sheldon quoted her linked San Francisco Chronicle column, where she says, “Stop Porn Culture is registered and owned by Skyward-bound Productions.” However, she does not mention abortion at all in either piece, so it is not clear how Sheldon arrived at the conclusion that rather small web design company owned and financed Stop Porn Culture, and he does not explain his reasoning. I imagine it is supposed to be self-evident, but especially since the listing is obsolete, I think he and Violet Blue merely jumped to self-serving conclusions. The current registrant is Lierre Keith, who has been made aware of this. I also requested information from Skyward-bound Productions about any connection with Stop Porn Culture, but I have not yet received a response. The proprietor is Christian, but after reading some of his forum I got no impression he is a rabid fundamentalist who wants to outlaw abortion. He ran for local office in his town. One would think if abortion was such a big issue for him, that would figure prominently in his postings on his forum, but I could not find any mention of it.

    Another bizarre reversal on the Ms. blog was posted by “sex worker” Jill Brenneman, who took a man to task for objecting to the term sex-positive, suggesting the more accurate term would be pro-porn. She says,

    There is no “pro porn” steve. There is a sex worker rights movement and sex worker rights activism that happens to get mislabeled by you and many others under a title chosen by feminists opposed to the sex worker rights movement. A title called “pro porn”.

    Mislabeled, huh. Like my distinction between erotica and pornography was dismissed as a misuse of language. I think that title fits just fine, perhaps not so much to women who prefer to think of themselves as sex workers, but certainly to defenders of the industry such as Sheldon. Also, I know of no feminist who opposes the rights of women in the pornography industry. Some feminists, including myself, think such women have a right to a way out.

    Perhaps what really annoyed Ms. Brenneman was the quote Mr. Silver posted from a talk delivered by Rebecca Whisnant at the conference “Pornography and Pop Culture: Re-framing Theory, Re-thinking Activism” (Boston MA, March 24, 2007)

    Now think about it: in this cultural and political context, a feminism that acquiesces to certain key male entitlements, while simultaneously presenting itself as bold and liberated and rebellious, is likely to be appealing to many women. A version of feminism that supports girls’ and women’s desired self-conception as independent and powerful, while actually requiring very little of them as far as confronting real male power, will similarly have wide appeal. It is my contention (now jumping ahead by a decade or so) that the versions of feminism currently most popular in the academy and in U.S. popular culture more broadly are of exactly this kind—and that the backlash dynamics I just described are on especially clear display with respect to the politics of pornography. After all, in one important sense, what happened in the eighties was good news: back then, the feminist critique of pornography had enough cultural, political, and intellectual momentum that an orchestrated campaign was required to defeat it. For at least the past decade, however, despite the best efforts of many of us in this room, that critique has largely dropped off the radar screen, replaced in some quarters by a depoliticized faux-feminism that caters to rather than challenging the porn culture.

    I would not have thought Ms. Magazine would fall into that trap, but in light of what is going on, perhaps I was naive about that.

    Another ironic twist is what happened the last time I thought the Ms. blog was censoring me, on the entry Meet the New Kid on the Block: Male Studies. I received this on May 7 in response to my query ten days earlier:

    Hi Aletha,

    Jessica here, Ms. Blog editor; Noelle passed me your email. So sorry about that; we did NOT intend to reject your comment; it got caught in our spam filter. I’ve restored it. To the contrary, I appreciate your calling out Dave as a troll; we considered rebuking him but thought you and David Dismore were doing a fantastic job of rebutting him, so we decided to let it be.

    Jessica

    I had to guess at the punctuation, since some of those I surmise were semicolons got garbled in the transmission. Now it appears the moderators wish to chase me away. Is this what mainstream feminism has come to? They allowed plenty of comments in defense of Gail Dines, but mine are apparently too sharp, pointed, angry, exasperated, sarcastic? What? If Lierre Keith or Gail Dines gives me definitive information that shows this allegation by Sheldon is full of crap, I will attempt to post that, and if that is censored, I will raise hell.

  3. Aletha Says:

    Gail Dines posted her opening speech at the conference on her blog

  4. Aletha Says:

    Sheldon Ranz is in his full glory today, accusing Gail Dines of being a closet prude, repeating his borderline slanderous, obsolete at best, claim about who maintains and finances the Stop Porn Culture website on Part 2, and stating that Jersey Jaxin had a falling out with Shelley Lubben, so her profile was taken down. Funny, the link I posted still works. I wonder if Sheldon has been made aware that the Ms. moderators have censored more than one of my comments.

  5. Aletha Says:

    My censored comments are no longer censored. I do not know what happened or why, but it appears several more comments from previous days have also suddenly appeared. Perhaps the moderators were trying to prevent the discussions from turning into train wrecks, then decided censoring comments was not helping matters.

    Sheldon has not responded to my request for evidence. It is possible he has not noticed it, since Part 1 has had no comments since Tuesday.

  6. Aletha Says:

    Sheldon did respond at 6:43 PM, but at the time of my previous comment, his comment had not been approved. He cited another site organized by Violet Blue, http://ourpornourselves.org, which has a page devoted to Stop Porn Culture. Curiously, it seems a bit more objective than the pieces I linked above, even stating

    Stop Porn Culture does not appear to have affiliation with the religious motivations of their internet business associates.

    Neither is there any mention on that page of Stop Porn Culture taking money from its website hosts or designers, nor of abortion.

    Sheldon Ranz and Violet Blue take exception to the current web host, bluehost.com, allegedly owned by homophobic Mormons, which happens to be the second outfit on a list of web hosting companies recommended by WordPress. I suppose by that logic, I should boycott WordPress.

  7. Aletha Says:

    Sheldon ramped up his mudslinging in response to me pressing him.

    Sheldon says:
    July 17, 2010 at 10:00 am

    The conclusions I drew from Violet Blue’s data were my own. They are the standard conclusions one draws if the subject were, say, abortion or the ERA.

    Since Skyward-bound rants about Jesus, what do you really expect their position on abortion to be?

    The point is, is that Skyward and now this Mormon outfit is a internet business associate of Gail Dine’s group. The particular way in which the cash flows between them is not as important as the fact that it is flowing between them at all. Gee, I wonder if there are any neo-Nazi website design groups out there who could lend Stop Porn Culture a hand when SPC plans its next website upgrade?

    Why should this be a shock and a surprise? Dworkin and MacKinnon worked together with folks from StopERA like Beulah Coughenor (sp?) to introduce their Model Anti-Porn laws back in the 1980s. The more things change..

    I attempted to respond, but surprise, surprise! My comment is still in moderation.

    Aletha says:
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    July 19, 2010 at 7:05 am

    I will explain what I do not understand. I do not get why on a feminist blog the issues of women getting injured, humiliated, one, both or more, so men can get off cannot be discussed without men persistently intruding their theories of how all forms of “sex” are equivalent free expression as long as there is consent all around. In a certain very popular genre of pornography women are tortured, one form or another. This is one big issue Gail Dines and allies have tried to raise, while irate men and their allies dodge in all their clever ways. Sex can be different for women, when the partner cooperates, and something more that is hard to describe. One might call it love or passion, but what I mean is something more. Something like imaginative, creative, attuned, empathetic, above all unscripted, wild, out of control yet centered in the fire of life? What? I am no poet. To express this in images is in the realm of erotic art, what is possible for humans, but many have no idea it is within their reach, because the man is ignorant, unimaginative, uncaring, unattuned, who knows, I could call it indifferent. I have experience of a lifetime with a bunch of men all over the spectrum, from the mystical to perhaps the worst form of betrayal. The common vulgar expression is the man is good in bed, but of course it is more than that. I am sorry that many if most women suffer from men who are not great lovers, for whatever reason. Some guys need no assistance from external props to be wild in love. May their tribe increase.

    Guilt by association is an ancient diversionary tactic. I am a journalist, even before representing the Free Soil Party. As a journalist I respect another according to the quality of their journalism, and all other issues are secondary. Gail Dines has had unfortunate associates. Whether that was out of ignorance, or she did not care, is impossible for me to know, but I have reason to doubt it was deliberate. To cast doubt on another journalist because of their associations is a slippery slope and a trick to divert the issues raised. I might as well renounce all information provided by any source associated with bluehost, or a pornographer. Gee, the second host recommended on a list from no less than WordPress (see http://wordpress.org/hosting/ ) is bluehost! Should we all boycott WordPress? My blog, this blog, Violet Blue? What about blogrolls? On the roster here is Alas, sold to the very business a few years back. Should I boycott this blog on principle because of that? Those who cast aspersions on Gail Dines for unfortunate associations might find a more relevant angle. That has been done by some of her critics here, when they disputed an aspect of her ideas directly. Distortions and stretched analogies are not helpful; hot air just wastes the time of everyone concerned. For another example of that slippery slope, about thirty years ago a man Sheldon might know from WBAI, Pacifica fund raising star and independent journalist Gary Null originally got his expose of the Politics of Cancer published by none other than Bob Guccione over the irate objections of the entire Penthouse board, after Null could find no other publication who would touch it. Guccione printed free copies of those articles on request, which cost a pretty penny. Gary Null has other associations and ideas I dislike, but I judge his journalism as that regardless of any of those side issues, matters of opinion or personality clash. That is required by my idea of professionalism. Null raises important issues about the way things go down in this world. Gail Dines raises other important issues. On a feminist blog I think those could be the focus of this discussion, regardless of all these diversions, like her associations.

    By the way, I read a bunch of the small forum that evil website designer calling his outfit Skyward-bound put up about the time he ran for local election. I could not find any mention of abortion. Such a big issue for him, I guess he thought it was so obvious he did not need to mention it? I do not put any faith in standard conclusions, as a rule. Perhaps Violet Blue is a bit more careful a journalist than Sheldon Ranz. Look at what gets said about Sarah Palin by feminists about her views on birth control and sex education. The standard conclusions are wrong, as usual; Sarah Palin is on record defending teaching about birth control in sex education. Good journalism uncovers such inconvenient truths. Women getting roughed up or otherwise reduced to sex objects is an important political issue for me. One woman had the courage to post here about what it cost her personally. Can that be discussed here, or is her story to be dismissed as a fluke? I think she speaks for the majority, but the numbers do not matter, not really. What matters to me in the context of this plague of men battering, raping, murdering women is that popular pornography feeds the flame of the madness that lets men get off on these fantasies or the reality of hurting and humiliating women. That money is greasing this part of The War Against Women just adds insult to injury.

    I sympathize with the moderators. Trying to moderate this kind of discussion can be a bear, and I imagine I have contributed to the difficulties, but I had reasons to say everything I said, and I imagine the same is true of everyone who has contributed, even if they had to eat their words. On my blog I only censor irrelevant nonsense. One could ascertain that from the battle over my story on Rapelay, when a commenter insisted on defending that video game as harmless fantasy. Nonsense, but relevant.

    I do have some sympathy for the moderators, but how they can think it is appropriate to allow Sheldon to sling his mud while censoring me really makes me wonder whose side they are on. Can it be Ms. Magazine thinks Sheldon Ranz is an unbiased expert on the pornography industry? Or is it just my comments are too heated or inflammatory, so unlikely to lead to any kind of resolution of the “sex wars?” Sheldon calls himself a “liberal feminist.” I think he is a liberal, fine, but I want nothing to do with his brand of feminism.

    There have been only three approved comments since Friday, one being what I quoted above from Sheldon. Perhaps there have been more comments held up in moderation, or perhaps people are waiting for Part 3.

  8. Aletha Says:

    Found via a Facebook friend, Quotes from Jenna Jameson in her book How to make love like a porn star, a cautionary tale. It is not a pretty picture.

  9. Aletha Says:

    My long comment is still in moderation, but the link to that YouTube video above was approved at the Ms. blog. There was a trackback to Part 2 from last week I had not noticed, from none other than Violet Blue, who highly recommended that “refreshingly balanced article.” So I had to try to comment about that.

    Aletha says:
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    July 20, 2010 at 9:40 pm

    There is no “pro porn”, Jill Brenneman? That must be news to Violet Blue. Did you see the latest trackback on Part 2? Ms. Blue highly recommended Part 2 in her blog entry Food for Thought: Latest Pro-Porn News and Information on her Our Porn, Ourselves blog, http://ourpornourselves.org/food-for-thought-latest-pro-porn-news-and-information/ . Or is she reclaiming the term, heaven forbid?

    Another thing I find ironic about all this, aside from the fits I must be giving the moderators, is what I observed on my blog about a peculiar misrepresentation of anti-pornography feminists, “I know of no feminist who opposes the rights of women in the pornography industry. Some feminists, including myself, think such women have a right to a way out.” Does that make me a utopian dreamer?

    Who knows if that will pass the standards of the moderators. I see one comment posted after mine has already been approved, so I am betting mine will not be. Who knows. The comment that was approved was by one of the Ms. bloggers on her own entry, so of course that would go through right away.

    Another ironic twist is that while I was roundly ridiculed for protesting pornography on one of the disappeared incarnations of the Randi Rhodes forum, I was never censored or even warned by the moderators there.

  10. Aletha Says:

    The previous comments got approved today. The entries are eerily quiet otherwise. Part 3 will presumably be out shortly.

  11. HarryD Says:

    This article is more than a bit unfair and even more unbalanced. Porn is no more addicting than any other subject that someone can derive pleasure from, be it drugs, alcohol, etc. It has already been proven that abstinence only curricula doesn’t work, and that all it does is keep the information from teenagers who are going to have sex. Abstinence only is the equivalent of not potty training a child and then expecting him to not use the bathroom. Sex and the desire for sex is a biological function, a response to the body entering the age where, when our species was young, reproduction was the most feasible.

    I completely agree with Abby’s take that pornography gives a distorted view about what sex is about, because it does. I also agree that pornography is mainly consumed by men, but definitely not entirely. Pornography is just as demeaning to men, especially minority males, as it is to females. As a man I am also offended by your assertion that men always enjoy sex, all the time. Many male pornographic actors end up taking erectile dysfunction medication in order to perform in scenes, and female actors are, on a whole, paid significantly more in the porn industry.

    And that is what it is, an industry, a job, a job that requires being comfortable with certain things but a job none the less. Does everyone enjoy their job, no, does that make it exploitation, no. You act as if every porn actress wasn’t a porn actress they would be an astrophysicist or a doctor, while in truth most would be a waitress or something like that. I would wager any amount of money that if you asked them would they prefer to be a porn actress or work at McDonald’s they would say Porn, because most jobs are just as demeaning but pay less.

  12. Aletha Says:

    Who said “men always enjoy sex, all the time?” You jump to a lot of conclusions, Harry. Pornography may be demeaning to men, but the point of pornography is that women are sex objects for male pleasure. There is no equivalency. Most jobs may be demeaning in one sense or another, but the point of most jobs is something other than to reduce women to sex objects so men can get off on it. Again, there is no equivalency. Your argument is straight out of what some call postmodern hell.

    All people have skills and talents. Not everyone gets a chance to develop them. If women in the “industry” were offered that chance, I have strong reasons to believe most would jump at it. The point is, the devaluation of women in this culture creates the context in which it seems becoming a prostitute or pornography “actress” is the best some women can aspire to. These are not jobs; they are traps.

  13. Aletha Says:

    Gail Dines has a brief article on CounterPunch published yesterday, complete with a link to Amazon to buy her book Pornland, The Stepford Sluts.

    The entries on the Ms. blog have been quiet for several days, after I responded to Sheldon affirming that I am “sex-negative” by saying I could ask for a definition, but since there could be no possible common ground on the meaning of that insult, why bother? Another entry was posted critical of Hugh Hefner, but curiously, nobody ventured to defend him.

  14. Aletha Says:

    One critical issue to prostitution and pornography that gets swirled into maximum confusion is the meaning of consent. Nobody will defend selling a woman as a sex slave, unless she has a say in it. Suddenly that makes it just another choice, to those who think some women sell themselves as sex slaves of their own free will. Leaving aside the blatant contradiction inherent in that concept, if one is concerned with more than technical legal issues, I think a feminist approach demands an examination of why a woman would make such a choice. Is it really a free fully informed unpressured choice between reasonable alternatives?

    In rare cases, that may happen, but I contend the vast majority of women who choose sex slavery as a career do not see a reasonable alternative, so the choice is constrained, uninformed, and made under pressure. This is consent? Consent contaminated to such an extent is meaningless, yet this is supposed to be a fact of life, that men are entitled to buy sex or watch images of sex slavery.

    It is argued, this is comparable to wage slavery, and it is true enough that many jobs are a meaningless grind, endured for the paycheck. This is a failure built into the economic model. If it were otherwise, if the economic system enabled everyone to thrive by developing their best talents and skills, no woman would have to face the desperation of seeing no reasonable alternatives. This may seem hopelessly impractical, but what does the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness really mean when so many people can aspire to no more than being cogs in the corporate machinery?

    Since the economic model is what it is, the question is raised, why blame the victims? Why are prostitutes criminals, while those who buy them are just bad boys being boys? The reverse has been tried, with promising results. One may think I am suggesting buyers or makers of pornography should be criminals, since the consent of the women is questionable. To deal with the symptoms of prevalent economic and value systems while leaving them intact is bandaging the problems at best. I think it makes more sense to treat pornography as an extremely costly luxury than as a law enforcement nightmare, unless the women are getting physically injured or underage. I draw that line because that is where informed consent is impossible. Perhaps if the buyers of pornography had to pay enough tax so the cost was comparable to a work of erotic art, they might consider buying art instead. This is far from an ideal solution, but if the economic and value system are taken for reality, I think it is better than treating pornography and prostitution as normal facts of life. Ultimately I insist the solution is to provide women better alternatives, but that would require profound revisioning of prevalent theories of value. My first blog entry was devoted to that subject.

    One section of the much older Free Soil Party Bill of Missing Rights says,

    The right to sufficient basic and vocational education to qualify for a job reasonably consistent with the talents, abilities, and potential of a person. Those people demonstrating unusual creative abilities would be allowed three years of self directed apprenticeship to develop independence. While attaining sufficient skills for survival, no person should be held liable to pay for survival.

    What is the point of education, if not to provide an opportunity for fulfilling and meaningful employment? But of course, the powers that be do not see it that way.

  15. Aletha Says:

    This was my latest response to Sheldon, who reacted to my thoughts about logic by saying my theory of knowledge sounded like nihilism.

    It is hard for me to justify arguing with those who insist on distorting or disbelieving virtually everything I say. This is one way you win arguments, Sheldon; you wear down your opposition until they conclude there is no point in going around and around in circles.

    Logic is just a tool. It can be used for any purpose imaginable, and is often employed to justify the status quo. It has been used to good purposes, but it has also been used to justify the worst abuses of power and knowledge imaginable. Sexism, racism, war, you name the form of oppression, there has always been some line of argument its defenders considered perfectly logical bolstering it. The defenders of slavery thought the idea that slavery was the proper role for black people was perfectly logical. The opponents of suffrage for women thought that idea was illogical and portended the ruin of civilization. Look at the capstones of high technology, nuclear energy and genetic engineering. They are disasters, but in the minds of most scientists and politicians, logic tells them these marvels of technology represent the pinnacle of scientific achievement. Sexist social scientists, like Larry Summers and Steven Pinker, still think sexism is logical. The science of public relations is the cold calculating logic of how to manipulate people. The point is, logic has its limits. It works very well to deal with machines. People, not so much. People are creative feeling beings. Logic and machines are neither. If people were more sensible and less attached to hierarchical models, logic might help discover ways out of the mess people have made of this world, instead of helping to perpetuate and exacerbate the mess. As things stand, it will take tools without the limitations and historical baggage of logic to bring about any substantial change.

    My theory of knowledge sounds like nihilism to you? Do you have any idea what you are talking about? This, from the Internet Encyclopedia of Philosophy, sounds like nihilism to me:

    Nihilism is the belief that all values are baseless and that nothing can be known or communicated. It is often associated with extreme pessimism and a radical skepticism that condemns existence. A true nihilist would believe in nothing, have no loyalties, and no purpose other than, perhaps, an impulse to destroy.

    It is hard to imagine a philosophy more opposed to my own than nihilism. I am pointing out that men in general put way more faith in logic than it deserves, especially since logic in and of itself offers no challenge to the status quo, is all too easily used to bolster abuses of power, and the quick profit motive has corrupted science to such an extent, the ability of this planet to sustain life is being destroyed in the name of science and logic.

  16. Aletha Says:

    Jennifer Drew posted to the Global Sisterhood Network today an illuminating article from The Irish Times on increasing violence experienced by prostitutes.

    A prostitute’s life: ‘Whether it hurts the woman or not, the men don’t care’

    KATHY SHERIDAN

    Punched in the face, kicked down stairs, bitten, starved and beaten – women involved in prostitution in Ireland are increasingly at risk of violence. Does this rise in sexual aggression identify a link between degradation of women and the universal availability of hard pornography?

    THE NEWS that demand for prostitute services has been unaffected by the recession was hardly surprising. But like many conscience-free corporations, that hasn’t stopped the industry demanding more productivity from its workers, so the fact that women in prostitution are being forced to take bigger risks is hardly surprising either.

    The release last week of the annual report from Ruhama, the charity for women affected by prostitution, triggered a mild flurry of curiosity about the lives of one of the most contentious groups in society.

    Last year, these women “reported horrific levels of sexual, physical and emotional abuse”, said the charity’s chief executive, Sarah Benson. They were punched in the face, in the stomach, were kicked down stairs, beaten for refusing to have sex with men, were locked in, were refused food, were burned and bitten.

    “Women were told by buyers that they were ‘ugly’, ‘not very good’, that they ‘should at least try to look like you’re enjoying it’ while their bodies were used in whatever way the buyer wished,” said Benson. Which means “turning yourself into a public toilet”, in the words of one former prostitute this week.

    The notion of a mutually pleasurable, damage-free transaction – as promoted by the industry and supporters of legalisation – sits wildly at odds with the reality of these engagements. Were it not for the wreckage they leave behind, the self-delusion of the average sex buyer would be laughable.

    On an unfiltered “escorts” website, where Irish males using hard-man pseudonyms such as “Mountdick” and “BigLad” post “reviews” of the human merchandise, the inherent contradictions are mind-boggling. “She’s putty in my hands”, exults “Scankman”.

    At one level, these men – some of whom pay for sex up to 10 times a month, according to their own posts – must delude themselves that the women find them irresistible. At another, they must also believe that the same women are sub-human: “Met this thing a number of months ago. She went by a different name then . . . She hates her clients, hates the job, hates the world. Stay well away from it.”

    Another reviewer, whose human receptacle failed to perform as programmed, writes: “The window did not open, and the room was very warm, and Amanda got an attitude about how much I was sweating. I wanted to drive my c*** down her throat until she gagged on it, but she insisted on doing it her way . . . Certainly not the experience I had been anticipating, as I have met with some very charming and accommodating Czech and Slovakian ladies who have gagged and slurped on my c*** . . . To be 100% honest, and fair to other punters, they list a few things on their profile that they don’t actually do (he lists them diligently) like in the porno movies.”

    Describing her life in “indoor” prostitution, “Marie”, a Ruhama client, outlines the mobile nature of the business now.

    “The pimps move the women down the country for anything from a week to two weeks; the only human communication you have is with clients. You’re sitting in the apartment for anything from 6 to 13 days, alone, and you must be available for 12- to 16-hour days, in an apartment with the curtains always closed, never seeing natural light.”

    The men are getting younger, she says, and more physically aggressive. “They come in groups of twos and threes and will egg each other on for more aggressive and violent acts.”

    The stories about lonely men just wanting to chat, are a myth in her experience. All men show a violent disposition once they’re with a prostitute, she says: “Whether calling her ‘bitch’, ‘slut’, pinning her down or aggressive penetration . . . He just wants to ejaculate and whether it hurts the woman’s body or not, he doesn’t care.”

    The use of prostitutes in Ireland is now so normalised, Marie says, “that men will sit and talk openly about some of the stuff they’ve done. It’s an accepted thing now for men to assume they will get oral without a condom, and some women are afraid to refuse in case they will lose the client and the money for the pimp.”

    And the pimp, of course, is greatly feared.

    Marie agrees that there are women who freely choose prostitution for the money. The problem for those women, she says, is that they discover only in later years how degraded and broken they have become because of their choice: “These women are not happy with what they are doing but happy with the money they get.”

    The reality, though, is that while a woman in prostitution is reckoned to be worth over €100,000 a year, the vast bulk of it goes to her controllers and the website operators.

    The link between increased aggression and more degrading demands from younger men with the universal availability of hard pornography is impossible to ignore.

    “It’s the desensitisation that goes on,” says Ellen O’Malley Dunlop of the Dublin Rape Crisis Centre.

    In July, the helpline at the Dublin Rape Crisis Centre alone heard from 62 first-time callers in relation to recent rapes, three reporting marital rapes, four relating to “drug” rape and 11 recent sexual assaults.

    Clearly, the wide availability of sex for sale throughout rural Ireland – increasingly in counties such as Longford, Roscommon, Monaghan and Wexford – has not reduced sexual crime in the wider population.

    Ten years ago, the Swedish government cut through the niceties about “harm reduction” for women working in prostitution and the distinction between voluntary and non-voluntary prostitution. Working on the premise that prostitution entails serious harm to both individuals and society, and that without demand, there would be no prostitution, it became the first country in the world to introduce legislation criminalising the purchase, but not the sale, of sexual services.

    Since then, street prostitution has been halved, according to a Swedish Ministry of Justice report in July, while in neighbouring Norway and Denmark it increased dramatically.

    While internet prostitution has increased in all three countries, there is nothing to indicate that Sweden’s problem is any greater than the others. In other words, the ban did not result in a wholesale shift from street prostitution to the internet. And prostitution has not been driven underground, as was feared.

    “People working in the field do not consider that there has been an increase in prostitution since the ban was introduced,” says the ministry. “According to the National Criminal Police, it is clear that the ban . . . acts as a barrier to human traffickers and procurers considering establishing themselves in Sweden.”

    The most dramatic result, perhaps, is the marked shift of attitude that has come over the Swedish population in 10 years. More than 70 per cent now take a positive view of the ban, in sharp contrast with Norway and Denmark. As for the women who work in prostitution, the pattern tells its own story. “It is clear, and it seems logical,” says the report, “that those who have extricated themselves from prostitution take a positive view of criminalisation, while those who are still exploited in prostitution are critical of the ban.”

    I quoted that sentence about the link between increased aggression and more degrading demands from younger men with the universal availability of hard pornography on the third segment of the Ms. blog interview of Gail Dines, asking Sheldon if he cared to comment. Certainly he and other pornography apologists find the link possible to ignore; I predict he will claim the link is unproven, or that the increased violence experienced by prostitutes is unproven. Sheldon is very big on proving things, as a major fan of Mr. Spock, the supremely logical science officer in the original Star Trek series. Apparently his confusion of my philosophy with nihilism arose from his conflation of knowing things and proving them.

    Last Friday Gail Dines posted a direct response to Shira Tarrant, to defend her assertion that pornography is racist. The fireworks show no sign of abating, as the whitewashers of the pornography industry attempt to defend it by saying not all pornography is sexist or racist. Why is that relevant, and why is it these apologists refuse to recognize that what they call non-sexist, non-racist pornography, if it indeed qualifies as such, should be called something else, such as erotica? Why would they not wish to disassociate depictions of “shared sensuality,” as Gloria Steinem put it, from clearly sexist and/or racist depictions of the sexual abuse of women? These apologists shy from making such a distinction because they prefer to claim the opponents of pornography are sex-negative prudes who think any depiction of sexuality should be banned! Some people do believe that, but they are generally religious fanatics, not feminists.

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